Discussion:
"International Franz Bardon Day" celebrated
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richardlaufenburg
2006-06-27 17:47:33 UTC
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International Franz Bardon Day was celebrated this year (2006) in the
evening of June 23rd in the "High Park" of Toronto, Canada, to
celebrate the life and work of Franz Bardon (Frabato) the magician.
Nine people attended. We met at 8:30 pm in the coffee shop in High Park
to get acquainted with each other. I gave a short talk about the work
and lifeof Franz Bardon. After that we went to a secluded part in the
park. We recited a short prayer to invoke the presence of the
Brotherhood of Light. Then we did the St. John's evocation as Bardon
suggests in the "Frabato" book. The ritual we used for this evocation
is a modified version to the one that the "Droit Humain" order uses in
France.Of course it was translated into English. During that ritual we
burned a log in which burned and "exorcised" all the bad things and
influences from the past year so that they will not carry over into
this year. We also offered corn and wine into the "St. John's Fire".
Corn was offered for all the good material things which we received in
the year past and the wine was offerd for all the good spiritual
teachings which we received in the past year. Later we burned another
log into which each of us threw a paper on which we wrote 3 wishes
which now should be fulfilled during the next year. Franz Bardon writes
about this in "Frabato"

The St. John's fire was lit from the light which an alchemist among us
captured with a magnifying glass from the Sun on high noon. He
transferred then the light to an oil lamp. He nourished the flame all
day, and in the evening this flame was used to light the logs for our
ritual.

The meeting ended in harmony at 10:30 pm.
Tom
2006-06-27 21:26:16 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
International Franz Bardon Day was celebrated this year (2006) in the
evening of June 23rd in the "High Park" of Toronto, Canada, to
celebrate the life and work of Franz Bardon (Frabato) the magician.
Nine people attended.
How many countries did these nine people represent on "International Franz
Bardon Day"?
richardlaufenburg
2006-06-27 22:16:55 UTC
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These 9 people represented 6 countries.

It is hoped that eventually "International Franz Bardon Day" will
eventually celebrated troughout the word in every country.
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Post by richardlaufenburg
International Franz Bardon Day was celebrated this year (2006) in the
evening of June 23rd in the "High Park" of Toronto, Canada, to
celebrate the life and work of Franz Bardon (Frabato) the magician.
Nine people attended.
How many countries did these nine people represent on "International Franz
Bardon Day"?
Tom
2006-06-28 07:27:11 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
These 9 people represented 6 countries.
Was "International Franz Bardon Day" inspired by the conjunction of these
folks, or was their conjunction inspired by the proclamation of
"International Franz Bardon Day"?
Post by richardlaufenburg
It is hoped that eventually "International Franz Bardon Day" will
eventually celebrated troughout the word in every country.
Maybe if you could openly demonstrate some of the feats his books claim a
magician should be able to accomplish, you could generate a bit more
excitement.
richardlaufenburg
2006-06-28 17:13:43 UTC
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Hi Tom:

Unfortunately I don't have those abilities which Bardon describes in
his books.

However there is a lot of interest in the yearly celebration of
"Internatial Franz Bardon Day" and the St. John's evocation. The
invocation of Light.

Next year there will be more people attending. Hopefully other
countries will join in.

Richard
Post by Tom
Post by richardlaufenburg
These 9 people represented 6 countries.
Was "International Franz Bardon Day" inspired by the conjunction of these
folks, or was their conjunction inspired by the proclamation of
"International Franz Bardon Day"?
Post by richardlaufenburg
It is hoped that eventually "International Franz Bardon Day" will
eventually celebrated troughout the word in every country.
Maybe if you could openly demonstrate some of the feats his books claim a
magician should be able to accomplish, you could generate a bit more
excitement.
Tom
2006-06-28 20:31:07 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
Unfortunately I don't have those abilities which Bardon describes in
his books.
Does anybody?

What exactly are you are celebrating?
richardlaufenburg
2006-06-29 00:10:59 UTC
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We are celebrating the life and work of Franz Bardon. With this
ceremony we pay him respect.

Also in the book "Frabato" Bardon mentions that the Brotherhood of
Light meets in the Inner Planes one June 23. of every year, but that
the brothers and sister of the lower grades meet on the physical plan
and performe the St. John's evocation.

And this is exactly what we are trying to do.

Richard
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Post by richardlaufenburg
Unfortunately I don't have those abilities which Bardon describes in
his books.
Does anybody?
What exactly are you are celebrating?
Tom
2006-06-29 02:01:42 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
We are celebrating the life and work of Franz Bardon. With this
ceremony we pay him respect.
What is there about his life that you feel is worth celebrating all over the
world?
Post by richardlaufenburg
Also in the book "Frabato" Bardon mentions that the Brotherhood of
Light meets in the Inner Planes one June 23. of every year, but that
the brothers and sister of the lower grades meet on the physical plan
and performe the St. John's evocation.
Have you verified any of this?
richardlaufenburg
2006-06-29 17:28:33 UTC
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How can I verify for you what is happening in the subltle panes? If
Franz Bardon says that the Brotherhood of Light meets on June 23rd.
then this is good enough for me.

It makes only sense that "they" meet on that day because we have the
longest hours of dayLight on that day.

Many other traditions celebrate the "Light" on that evening between the
23rd and 34th of June, including the esoterically inclined Freemasons
and the Wiccans and others all over the world.

But remember the main reason of celebrating International Franz Bardon
Day is to recognize the Life and Work of the great Hermetic Teacher
Franz Bardon.

LVX
Richard
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Post by richardlaufenburg
We are celebrating the life and work of Franz Bardon. With this
ceremony we pay him respect.
What is there about his life that you feel is worth celebrating all over the
world?
Post by richardlaufenburg
Also in the book "Frabato" Bardon mentions that the Brotherhood of
Light meets in the Inner Planes one June 23. of every year, but that
the brothers and sister of the lower grades meet on the physical plan
and performe the St. John's evocation.
Have you verified any of this?
Tom
2006-06-29 21:09:08 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
How can I verify for you what is happening in the subltle panes? If
Franz Bardon says that the Brotherhood of Light meets on June 23rd.
then this is good enough for me.
Here's a bumper sticker I saw recently
:
"Jesus said it. I believe it. That's it."

Faith is so much easier than critical thinking.
Post by richardlaufenburg
But remember the main reason of celebrating International Franz Bardon
Day is to recognize the Life and Work of the great Hermetic Teacher
Franz Bardon.
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other than
quote Bardon, of course.
Bassos
2006-06-29 22:41:26 UTC
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Post by Tom
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a particular
place in the body or not) works for me.

perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Tom
2006-06-30 14:36:12 UTC
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Post by Tom
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a particular
place in the body or not) works for me.
perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason whatsoever
to celebrate him for it.

And that's it? The great hermetic teacher's one contribution to your
practice was to tell you to imagine yourself breathing colors so you could
change your mood?
Bassos
2006-07-01 01:24:22 UTC
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Post by Tom
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a
particular place in the body or not) works for me.
perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason
whatsoever to celebrate him for it.
Well, i am not celebrating him.
Post by Tom
And that's it? The great hermetic teacher's one contribution to your
practice was to tell you to imagine yourself breathing colors so you could
change your mood?
not quite.
It is the one specific example i came up with.

His writings have influenced me in a myriad ways.
I just never actually did do all the work he suggested was neccesary.
right now i am doing the write backwards, think backwards excercises of ac.
Tom
2006-07-01 05:13:45 UTC
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Post by Tom
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a
particular place in the body or not) works for me.
perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason
whatsoever to celebrate him for it.
Well, i am not celebrating him.
No? Well someone is, and I'm wondering just what it is that they are
celebrating.
Post by Bassos
His writings have influenced me in a myriad ways.
I just never actually did do all the work he suggested was neccesary.
I don't know of anyone who did. Or could, for that matter.
Post by Bassos
right now i am doing the write backwards, think backwards excercises of ac.
Is it working?
Bassos
2006-07-01 10:01:51 UTC
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Post by Bassos
right now i am doing the write backwards, think backwards excercises of ac.
Is it working?
too early to tell.
(meaning no)
Archangel
2006-07-02 14:19:18 UTC
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Post by Tom
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a particular
place in the body or not) works for me.
perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason whatsoever
to celebrate him for it.
And that's it? The great hermetic teacher's one contribution to your
practice was to tell you to imagine yourself breathing colors so you could
change your mood?
It isnt self-hypnosis although it does (when done properly) produce a
different perception that in waking consciousness. To dismiss this vital
piece of preparation for Magical work is naive.

Archangel
Apache Pax
2006-07-02 19:27:24 UTC
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What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other
than quote Bardon, of course.
Well, getting into a particular mood is easier.
The visualizations of inhaling a particular color (whether on a particular
place in the body or not) works for me.
perhaps this is thought in lots of other places aswell.
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason whatsoever
to celebrate him for it.
And that's it? The great hermetic teacher's one contribution to your
practice was to tell you to imagine yourself breathing colors so you could
change your mood?
It isnt self-hypnosis although it does (when done properly) produce a
different perception that in waking consciousness. To dismiss this vital
piece of preparation for Magical work is naive.
Archangel
My old yoga teacher instructed me to visualise the chi as golden as I
breathed it in and channeled ito the relevant part of my body we were
working on. Then I worked with visualising the negative chi being
collected and breathed out. It was simple enough (and I was only 10)
but it enabled me to consciously stretch muscles and ligaments far more
than I would be able to with ordinary exercise, and I still follow the
practise today.

For beginners - making the link between energy work and the physical
body is key, and also - easily taught.

That was to the student you were replying to, and not you -
obviously:-)

Take care.

A.
Tom
2006-07-03 02:07:05 UTC
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Post by Tom
Ah, self-hypnotic induction. Bardon didn't introduce that technique or
advance its efficacy in any meaningful way, so there is no reason
whatsoever to celebrate him for it.
And that's it? The great hermetic teacher's one contribution to your
practice was to tell you to imagine yourself breathing colors so you
could change your mood?
It isnt self-hypnosis although it does (when done properly) produce a
different perception that in waking consciousness.
There you go pretending to know something about hypnosis again. Are you
again going to trot out your false claim to have received a certificate in
hypnotherapy from King's College, even though it's been shown that King's
College has never offered one?
richardlaufenburg
2006-06-29 23:16:01 UTC
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I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.

Improved my ability to visualize. This helps a lot in Tibetan Buddhist
practice. etc.
Post by Tom
Post by richardlaufenburg
How can I verify for you what is happening in the subltle panes? If
Franz Bardon says that the Brotherhood of Light meets on June 23rd.
then this is good enough for me.
Here's a bumper sticker I saw recently
"Jesus said it. I believe it. That's it."
Faith is so much easier than critical thinking.
Post by richardlaufenburg
But remember the main reason of celebrating International Franz Bardon
Day is to recognize the Life and Work of the great Hermetic Teacher
Franz Bardon.
What can you do now that you couldn't do before you read Bardon? Other than
quote Bardon, of course.
Tom
2006-06-30 14:38:05 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.
Improved my ability to visualize.
It helped you imagine things more vividly. Like that you were
"pore-breathing" and absorbing "life force".

Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
Absorbed
2006-06-30 15:07:01 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.
Improved my ability to visualize.
It helped you imagine things more vividly. Like that you were
"pore-breathing" and absorbing "life force".
Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
I'm just going on a hunch here, but do you think Bardon's books are
crap? I was going to purchase Intro to Hermetics. To be honest, I am
getting a little peeved at reading pants occult books. There are more
of them about than you think. And all the good books make no sense. Ah,
the joys.
Erwin Hessle
2006-06-30 15:51:45 UTC
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And all the good books make no sense.
Why do you think this is?

Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Absorbed
2006-06-30 16:37:58 UTC
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And all the good books make no sense.
Why do you think this is?
Because hardly anyone explains the occult meaning of the words, and the
places that they do are few and far between. An alternative
explaination is that I am a bit thick. Or maybe what is explained can
only be understood in the light of experience that I've yet to have. I
think the last one is what you're hinting at.

I've taken your "aggressively exploring your own nature" advice very
much to heart, but I've yet to fully understand my laziness. It's a
rather pitiful thing to admit, but there you have it.
Erwin Hessle
2006-06-30 17:45:51 UTC
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And all the good books make no sense.
Why do you think this is?
Because hardly anyone explains the occult meaning of the words, and the
places that they do are few and far between.
One good reason for this is that many of these books would be six
hundred times longer if they did, "Magick in Theory and Practice" being
a very good case in point.
Post by Absorbed
An alternative
explaination is that I am a bit thick. Or maybe what is explained can
only be understood in the light of experience that I've yet to have. I
think the last one is what you're hinting at.
You're about right here, although it's not necessarily experience you
haven't had yet; it can often be (arguably it more often is) experience
you *have* had, but have just not yet classified according to these
terms. The X years of experience you've had to date are far from being
completely worthless.

You can't expect someone else to give you a cut-and-dried definition of
terms that will be of much use to you. There's little more you can do
than to keep going over the material, accept the confusion for the
moment, and let the associations form in your head until they start to
make some kind of sense. This process will never really end.
Post by Absorbed
I've taken your "aggressively exploring your own nature" advice very
much to heart, but I've yet to fully understand my laziness. It's a
rather pitiful thing to admit, but there you have it.
Well that's something else you know about your own nature in itself.

Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Erwin Hessle
2006-06-30 17:52:05 UTC
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And all the good books make no sense.
Why do you think this is?
Because hardly anyone explains the occult meaning of the words, and the
places that they do are few and far between.
One good reason for this is that many of these books would be six
hundred times longer if they did, "Magick in Theory and Practice" being
a very good case in point.
This needs qualifying. Another very good reason is that many of the
authors don't know either. You were witness yourself to the confusion
Archie got himself into through employing terms he didn't understand.
That there is large quantity of shit books out there is not in dispute.

Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Tom
2006-06-30 18:16:18 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.
Improved my ability to visualize.
It helped you imagine things more vividly. Like that you were
"pore-breathing" and absorbing "life force".
Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
I'm just going on a hunch here, but do you think Bardon's books are
crap? I was going to purchase Intro to Hermetics. To be honest, I am
getting a little peeved at reading pants occult books. There are more
of them about than you think. And all the good books make no sense. Ah,
the joys.
Bardon's books are full of exercises by which one can improve one's ability
to imagine vividly. Beyond that, they're crap.

Well... maybe not entirely crap. They could also have some interest for
those who like to trace the development and dissemination of occult dogmas
throughout Europe. Bardon represents a different branch of hermetic
occultism than the Golden Dawn crowd.
Absorbed
2006-06-30 15:19:54 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.
Improved my ability to visualize.
It helped you imagine things more vividly. Like that you were
"pore-breathing" and absorbing "life force".
Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
I was going to purchase Initiation into Hermetics. I've been getting a
little peeved recently about the amount of pants occult books about.
Other occult books are almost impossible to interpret. But then the key
to certain terms is given in the pants books. Alas, the joys.
Archangel
2006-07-02 14:19:45 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
I mastered the practice of "pore-breathing" and absorb "life-force"
from the universe.
Improved my ability to visualize.
It helped you imagine things more vividly. Like that you were
"pore-breathing" and absorbing "life force".
Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
Naive and argumentative.

A
Tom
2006-07-03 02:11:09 UTC
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Is that it? Bardon improved your fantasizing?
Naive and argumentative.
Back for another round of ridicule, are you?

I predict that we'll get not one single word of meaningful content on the
subject of Bardon from you.

whyzard
2006-07-01 00:10:45 UTC
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Post by richardlaufenburg
Unfortunately I don't have those abilities which Bardon describes in
his books.
yeah man, i' can't even get passed his second chapter in intiation to
hermetics.
I don't have time to bring an imaginary clock to material
manifestation. If i had that kind of power, do you think i would waste
it on materializing clocks
like a man goes to beat up a ninja master to force the ninja master to
teach him martial arts so he can go beat up ninja masters.
once again, the adepts are playing tricks on us
Post by richardlaufenburg
However there is a lot of interest in the yearly celebration of
"Internatial Franz Bardon Day" and the St. John's evocation. The
invocation of Light.
Next year there will be more people attending. Hopefully other
countries will join in.
Richard
Post by Tom
Post by richardlaufenburg
These 9 people represented 6 countries.
Was "International Franz Bardon Day" inspired by the conjunction of these
folks, or was their conjunction inspired by the proclamation of
"International Franz Bardon Day"?
Post by richardlaufenburg
It is hoped that eventually "International Franz Bardon Day" will
eventually celebrated troughout the word in every country.
Maybe if you could openly demonstrate some of the feats his books claim a
magician should be able to accomplish, you could generate a bit more
excitement.
Tom
2006-07-01 05:11:17 UTC
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Post by whyzard
yeah man, i' can't even get passed his second chapter in intiation to
hermetics.
I don't have time to bring an imaginary clock to material
manifestation. If i had that kind of power, do you think i would waste
it on materializing clocks
It does seem a wee bit trivial. Still, you gotta start someplace. Surely
there must be quite a few people who are able to materialize clocks, since
Bardon is internationally known as a great Hermetic teacher. Anybody?...
Anybody?...
Post by whyzard
like a man goes to beat up a ninja master to force the ninja master to
teach him martial arts so he can go beat up ninja masters.
once again, the adepts are playing tricks on us
Well, *someone* is playing tricks on *somebody* anyway.
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