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Notes on Atral Traveling
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Richard Laufenburg
2005-02-22 03:45:37 UTC
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Notes on Astral Traveling

By Hermann Medinger/Vienna, Fra.Manfred I.O. (Illuminaten
Orden)/Austria

Translated by Richard Tschudi



When we Illuminati, who struggle to bring enlightenment in all areas,
concern ourselves today with Astral Traveling, let me explain in the
beginning: it is not something unusual or special, but it is a clear
and simple fact!

Every person has experienced Astral Traveling countless times; as a
matter of fact we do it while we sleep, although mostly we don't
remember it.

Therefore sleep is nothing else than pure, natural Astral Traveling.
The remembering of what we experience on those travels fades away most
of the times at the moment when we wake up. Only distorted fragments
sometimes remain in the form of dreams in our waking consciousness.

While we sleep, the fluid body i.e. the astral body and spirit
separate from the physical body in order to receive nourishment in
higher spheres; the same as the physical body needs nourishment for
its sustenance. When a clairvoyant person looks at a sleeping person
then he can see accurately that while the physical body rests in the
bed, the fluid-body connected to the physical body with the so-called
silver cord, floats up into the realm of the spirit – into the astral
and mental sphere. It should be mentioned that the body remains
connected by that cord with the spirit. The "silver cord" will break
at the moment of death.

Only after our physical death we will realize what we did and
experienced during sleep and that we didn't waste or time but that we
used the time for our spiritual evolvement (we sleep away one third of
our lives).

Now there is an other important fact which unfortunately is not known
to most people: The state of consciousness in which we are at the
moment when the connection between the fluid-body and earthly sheath
is loosened, is the condition that gives us the abilities of
clairvoyance, using the sidereal pendulum and dowsing etc. It is the
principal requirement of any mediumistic capability. People, who in
contrast, enclose themselves with a materialistic wall, will never be
able to develop such mediumistic abilities. To penetrate into the
spiritual sphere it is most important to "loosen up". The motto: "I
must loosen up" should be written in big letters above the door of
every lluminatus!

In this regard we can achieve a lot with spiritual exercises. The most
basic "loosening up" exercise consists by trying consciously capturing
and remembering the moment of falling asleep. This state oof
transition, so to say the "turning-point between waking and sleeping
consciousness is the safest starting-point to all spiritual exercises.

Danger lurks when we take the so called "short cuts' to assist us in
"loosening up". When we use alcohol, hashish etc. to help us. The true
adept does not need any of those means and he has his body and spirit
under firm control

I know people (and I myself often can often observe in my case) whose
fluid-body has the tendency to "fly away", which is not always
pleasant. This happened to me one day suddenly while I was driving my
car. A serious accident was only averted by the help of my guardian
spirit.

Let us remember the "witch-flights" of the old hags and magicians
which they achieved with the assistance of all kinds of narcotics
(henbane).


To conclude this article I like to recommend to you dear Fratres .'.
and Sorores .'. the following "loosening up" exercises which will give
you the ability to do astral traveling.

1. Exercise: Place two chairs (facing each other) a short distance
apart. Sit on one of the chairs while you keep the other chair in your
eyes. Then "loose up:" and attempt to leave (in your fluid-body) your
chair and move over the other chair. After some time and trying you
feel yourself sitting there.

2. Exercise: Lie down on your bed and by deep rhythmic breathing
(magical breathing) try to "loosen up" the astral-body and to float
away to a distant place and look around there. However most of the
times you will only succeed if you know the"other place" accurately.
Even in the waking state you find a place easily if you know the way
to go there from before.

3. Exercise: (However dangerous and hardly advisable). Should
everything else fail, then try "loosening up' with all kinds of drugs
– evtl. also alcohol. This way perhaps the wall between the material
body and the fluid-body might be loosened up.
(Note of the translator: I only translated this 3rd exercise for
completeness sake. I do not recommend it. If you persist with exercise
1 and 2 you will succeed.)


I myself loosened up" many times, more often than it was pleasant.
There are also disadvantages to be pulled out of your body at any
time.

Never "walk away" from yourself. Always look at the metaphysical from
the secure wrapping of your own physical body; because drugs and
alcohol entice first and only dangerous demons. If you take this
advice nothing bad will happen and the "silver-cord" will not be
damaged. This advises you an old Illuminatus who has don a lot of
astral raveling.



[Hermann Medinger] was the leader of the "Weltbund der Illuminaten"
(World league of the Illuminati's) in the Illuminati province of
Austria.

The "Weltbund deer Illuminaten was founded by Leopold Engel in 1893 as
a successor organization of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati.]
Shawn Roske
2005-02-22 18:21:41 UTC
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This reads very much like franz bardon. does it have something to do
with translating german into english, or were the authors related somehow?
Post by Richard Laufenburg
Notes on Astral Traveling
By Hermann Medinger/Vienna, Fra.Manfred I.O. (Illuminaten
Orden)/Austria
Translated by Richard Tschudi
When we Illuminati, who struggle to bring enlightenment in all areas,
concern ourselves today with Astral Traveling, let me explain in the
beginning: it is not something unusual or special, but it is a clear
and simple fact!
Every person has experienced Astral Traveling countless times; as a
matter of fact we do it while we sleep, although mostly we don't
remember it.
Therefore sleep is nothing else than pure, natural Astral Traveling.
The remembering of what we experience on those travels fades away most
of the times at the moment when we wake up. Only distorted fragments
sometimes remain in the form of dreams in our waking consciousness.
While we sleep, the fluid body i.e. the astral body and spirit
separate from the physical body in order to receive nourishment in
higher spheres; the same as the physical body needs nourishment for
its sustenance. When a clairvoyant person looks at a sleeping person
then he can see accurately that while the physical body rests in the
bed, the fluid-body connected to the physical body with the so-called
silver cord, floats up into the realm of the spirit – into the astral
and mental sphere. It should be mentioned that the body remains
connected by that cord with the spirit. The "silver cord" will break
at the moment of death.
Only after our physical death we will realize what we did and
experienced during sleep and that we didn't waste or time but that we
used the time for our spiritual evolvement (we sleep away one third of
our lives).
Now there is an other important fact which unfortunately is not known
to most people: The state of consciousness in which we are at the
moment when the connection between the fluid-body and earthly sheath
is loosened, is the condition that gives us the abilities of
clairvoyance, using the sidereal pendulum and dowsing etc. It is the
principal requirement of any mediumistic capability. People, who in
contrast, enclose themselves with a materialistic wall, will never be
able to develop such mediumistic abilities. To penetrate into the
spiritual sphere it is most important to "loosen up". The motto: "I
must loosen up" should be written in big letters above the door of
every lluminatus!
In this regard we can achieve a lot with spiritual exercises. The most
basic "loosening up" exercise consists by trying consciously capturing
and remembering the moment of falling asleep. This state oof
transition, so to say the "turning-point between waking and sleeping
consciousness is the safest starting-point to all spiritual exercises.
Danger lurks when we take the so called "short cuts' to assist us in
"loosening up". When we use alcohol, hashish etc. to help us. The true
adept does not need any of those means and he has his body and spirit
under firm control
I know people (and I myself often can often observe in my case) whose
fluid-body has the tendency to "fly away", which is not always
pleasant. This happened to me one day suddenly while I was driving my
car. A serious accident was only averted by the help of my guardian
spirit.
Let us remember the "witch-flights" of the old hags and magicians
which they achieved with the assistance of all kinds of narcotics
(henbane).
To conclude this article I like to recommend to you dear Fratres .'.
and Sorores .'. the following "loosening up" exercises which will give
you the ability to do astral traveling.
1. Exercise: Place two chairs (facing each other) a short distance
apart. Sit on one of the chairs while you keep the other chair in your
eyes. Then "loose up:" and attempt to leave (in your fluid-body) your
chair and move over the other chair. After some time and trying you
feel yourself sitting there.
2. Exercise: Lie down on your bed and by deep rhythmic breathing
(magical breathing) try to "loosen up" the astral-body and to float
away to a distant place and look around there. However most of the
times you will only succeed if you know the"other place" accurately.
Even in the waking state you find a place easily if you know the way
to go there from before.
3. Exercise: (However dangerous and hardly advisable). Should
everything else fail, then try "loosening up' with all kinds of drugs
– evtl. also alcohol. This way perhaps the wall between the material
body and the fluid-body might be loosened up.
(Note of the translator: I only translated this 3rd exercise for
completeness sake. I do not recommend it. If you persist with exercise
1 and 2 you will succeed.)
I myself loosened up" many times, more often than it was pleasant.
There are also disadvantages to be pulled out of your body at any
time.
Never "walk away" from yourself. Always look at the metaphysical from
the secure wrapping of your own physical body; because drugs and
alcohol entice first and only dangerous demons. If you take this
advice nothing bad will happen and the "silver-cord" will not be
damaged. This advises you an old Illuminatus who has don a lot of
astral raveling.
[Hermann Medinger] was the leader of the "Weltbund der Illuminaten"
(World league of the Illuminati's) in the Illuminati province of
Austria.
The "Weltbund deer Illuminaten was founded by Leopold Engel in 1893 as
a successor organization of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati.]
http://www.alexchiu.com/eternallife/
2005-03-01 02:01:20 UTC
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~..~
The reason I came to California
is because of the Austrian Gov.
Arnold.
idnian ocpnahce
2006-03-14 05:13:40 UTC
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have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend

have nice 3:17:27

i am dah
Tom
2006-03-14 17:23:48 UTC
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Post by idnian ocpnahce
have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary universal
boundaries.
Post by idnian ocpnahce
i am dah
So it seems.
idnian ocpnahce
2006-03-14 22:51:01 UTC
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actually...some might label it as a boundary
personally...it's just somewhere where not even nothing has ever been before

i am dah
Archangel
2006-03-15 13:24:05 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by idnian ocpnahce
have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary universal
boundaries.
Really Tom? How many *imaginary* friends do you have Tom? I mean apart from
your dog who can achieve dharana? Oh yes, and your cat who does the same
thing at the mousehole you have in your house/trailer. Great house/trailer
eh Tom? Ever hear of pest control?

Toms dog can achieve dharana! LOLOL More craziness from Mr Crazy himself.

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Tom
2006-03-15 21:44:32 UTC
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Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by idnian ocpnahce
have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Really Tom?
Is this news to you, Archie?
Post by Archangel
How many *imaginary* friends do you have Tom?
Plenty, I imagine. How about you?
Post by Archangel
I mean apart from your dog who can achieve dharana?
I refer you to the recent Scientific American Mind article entitled "Do
aAnimals Have Feelings?" Look it up. The exercise will do you good.
Post by Archangel
Oh yes, and your cat who does the same thing at the mousehole you have in
your house/trailer.
Been trying to "psychometrise" me again, eh? Maybe you need a better map to
wave your pendulum over. You still seem to be looking in the wrong place.
Post by Archangel
Toms dog can achieve dharana! LOLOL More craziness from Mr Crazy himself.
He's far better at it than you. As a matter of fact, there's very little he
doesn't do far better than you. For one thing, he can actually see his own
penis without requiring the use of a mirror. And he has better table
manners, too.
Archangel
2006-03-16 12:53:45 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by idnian ocpnahce
have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Really Tom?
Is this news to you, Archie?
Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom, though most who do think
it is normal. As do you. Do you spend endless fun hours debating the finer
points of craziness with yours?

What is his name?
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
How many *imaginary* friends do you have Tom?
Plenty, I imagine. How about you?
Hmmm. Well, we *know* you imagine Tom, thats what you need to do to have
imaginary friends when you dont have any real ones. Never mind, dont give
up. I am sure you will find a real friend sometime.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
I mean apart from your dog who can achieve dharana?
I refer you to the recent Scientific American Mind article entitled "Do
aAnimals Have Feelings?" Look it up. The exercise will do you good.
Ah. All feelings are dharana? OK

Yet more craziness from Crazy Tom.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Oh yes, and your cat who does the same thing at the mousehole you have in
your house/trailer.
Been trying to "psychometrise" me again, eh? Maybe you need a better map
to wave your pendulum over. You still seem to be looking in the wrong
place.
Erm, no. Actually it was you who mentioned the mosuhole Tom? Memory failing?
Feeling dizzy often? Confused... ?
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Toms dog can achieve dharana! LOLOL More craziness from Mr Crazy himself.
He's far better at it than you. As a matter of fact, there's very little
he doesn't do far better than you. For one thing, he can actually see his
own penis without requiring the use of a mirror. And he has better table
manners, too.
And you know this how Crazy Tom? Let me guess...

Do you often use a mirror Tom? Fascinating stuff you get up to...

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Tom
2006-03-16 16:43:05 UTC
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Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by idnian ocpnahce
have you ever wandered beyond the universal boundaries
and brought back someone...as ur friend
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Really Tom?
Is this news to you, Archie?
Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom,
You are again incorrect. Most people do indeed have imaginary friends.
Post by Archangel
though most who do think it is normal. As do you.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-12-19-real-play-usat_x.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/98/104678.htm
Post by Archangel
Do you spend endless fun hours debating the finer points of craziness with
yours?
No, but I sometimes play cards with one or another of them. I win quite
often, even though I imagine them to be a very good card players.
Post by Archangel
What is his name?
It varies.
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
How many *imaginary* friends do you have Tom?
Plenty, I imagine. How about you?
Hmmm. Well, we *know* you imagine Tom,
We know that anyone who doesn't suffer from severe brain damage imagines.
Post by Archangel
thats what you need to do to have imaginary friends when you dont have any
real ones.
Or even when you do have real ones.
Post by Archangel
Never mind, dont give up. I am sure you will find a real friend sometime.
Having friends in one's imagination does not preclude having them in real
life. I thought you might have figured it out all by yourself. But then
again. since you haven't got much of a reality-based social life, you may
not have enough data to determine this for yourself.
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
I mean apart from your dog who can achieve dharana?
I refer you to the recent Scientific American Mind article entitled "Do
aAnimals Have Feelings?" Look it up. The exercise will do you good.
Ah. All feelings are dharana? OK
No, you continue to misunderstand. You presumed that my dog was a "friend".
Friendship is a feeling that human beings have. We often imagine that our
pets have the same feelings we do, but the evidence suggests this is often
not the case.
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Oh yes, and your cat who does the same thing at the mousehole you have
in your house/trailer.
Been trying to "psychometrise" me again, eh? Maybe you need a better map
to wave your pendulum over. You still seem to be looking in the wrong
place.
Erm, no.
Well, how else would you explain your complete inability to accurately
describe my surroundings? Are you sure you're not just imagining things
again?
Post by Archangel
Actually it was you who mentioned the mosuhole Tom?
I didn't say it was in my house. You merely imaginjed that it was. I've
noticed a tendency in you to confuse what you imagine with what is really
going on.
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Toms dog can achieve dharana! LOLOL More craziness from Mr Crazy himself.
He's far better at it than you. As a matter of fact, there's very little
he doesn't do far better than you. For one thing, he can actually see
his own penis without requiring the use of a mirror. And he has better
table manners, too.
And you know this how Crazy Tom? Let me guess...
No need to guess. Use your infallible psychometrising ability. I
psychometrised it with *my* infalliible psychometrising ability.
Post by Archangel
Do you often use a mirror Tom?
Whenever I comb my hair. How about you? Do you ever use a mirror?
Post by Archangel
Fascinating stuff you get up to...
Gets you all hot, does it?
Archangel
2006-03-17 07:14:06 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Really Tom?
Is this news to you, Archie?
Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom,
You are again incorrect. Most people do indeed have imaginary friends.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-12-19-real-play-usat_x.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/98/104678.htm
Hmmm. I see where it says 'many people' Tom. I dont see where it says 'the
majority of people'. Do you understand the difference?
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Do you spend endless fun hours debating the finer points of craziness
with yours?
No, but I sometimes play cards with one or another of them. I win quite
often, even though I imagine them to be a very good card players.
LOL. Crazy indeed....
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
What is his name?
It varies.
This is unsurprising. Crazier and crazier.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
How many *imaginary* friends do you have Tom?
Plenty, I imagine. How about you?
Hmmm. Well, we *know* you imagine Tom,
We know that anyone who doesn't suffer from severe brain damage imagines.
Yes, but most people are not psychotic and can tell the difference between
what is imagined and what is real. It is a real sign of your unwellness that
you cannot.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
thats what you need to do to have imaginary friends when you dont have
any real ones.
Or even when you do have real ones.
Do you prefer your 'imaginary friends' Crazy Tom? I bet you do but I bet you
wont say you do...
Post by Tom
Having friends in one's imagination does not preclude having them in real
life. I thought you might have figured it out all by yourself. But then
again. since you haven't got much of a reality-based social life, you may
not have enough data to determine this for yourself.
And your evidence for this bit of craziness is what? E V I D E N C E Tom?
lol
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
I mean apart from your dog who can achieve dharana?
I refer you to the recent Scientific American Mind article entitled "Do
aAnimals Have Feelings?" Look it up. The exercise will do you good.
Ah. All feelings are dharana? OK
No, you continue to misunderstand.
No you continue to misrepresent. As usual.
Post by Tom
You presumed that my dog was a "friend".
He cant be can he? He is real isnt he? So he cant be your imaginary friend
can he?
Post by Tom
Friendship is a feeling that human beings have. We often imagine that our
pets have the same feelings we do, but the evidence suggests this is often
not the case.
Well done Tom. A little less crazy. But hang on a minute.... Your dog isn't
human enough to have feelings, but je *is* nhuman enough to achieve
dharana?

Oh I see, you wanted to divert the conversation *away* from that bit of
craziness. I dont blame you, it *was* more than a little crazy Tom.

Are you sure your dog isnt imaginary Crazy Tom? Psychotics have real trouble
telling the difference you know. And you are *just a little* psychotic
remember...
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Oh yes, and your cat who does the same thing at the mousehole you have
in your house/trailer.
Been trying to "psychometrise" me again, eh?
Well no. You mentione the mosuehole your cat meditates on. And you said he
has no othert thoughts so evidently you think you can read your cat's
mind...
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Maybe you need a better map to wave your pendulum over. You still seem
to be looking in the wrong place.
Hrm. I can see this is confusing you Crazy Tom. Pendulums are used in
dowsing. Psychometry is different. That's why it is called psychometry and
not dowsing. Or crystal-ball gazing.

Get the point? Not all things are psychometry Crazy Tom, no matter what your
cat says.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Erm, no.
Well, how else would you explain your complete inability to accurately
describe my surroundings?
Your evidence for my inaccuracy is what Crazy Tom? E V I D E N C E Tom? lol
Post by Tom
Are you sure you're not just imagining things again?
Well to be honest Crazy Tom, it isnt me who has all these legions of
*imaginary* friends....

But then it isnt me who is psychotic either.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Actually it was you who mentioned the mosuhole Tom?
I didn't say it was in my house.
Your cat looks at mouseholes in other peoples houses Crazy Tom?

Oh I *see*, your cat psychometrises the mouseholes in other peoples houses?
OK Tom.

Time for your lie down.
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Toms dog can achieve dharana! LOLOL More craziness from Mr Crazy himself.
He's far better at it than you.
So you *are* saying your dog achieves dharana. OK

Just a thought Tom... how do you know this? You can read yout dogs mind as
well as your cats mind? Wow. You really are *special* Tom...
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
As a matter of fact, there's very little he doesn't do far better than
you.
Including algebra Tom? Riiiight. Smart dog eh Tom? LOL
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
For one thing, he can actually see his own penis without requiring the
use of a mirror. And he has better table manners, too.
And you know this how Crazy Tom? Let me guess...
No need to guess. Use your infallible psychometrising ability. I
psychometrical it with *my* infalliible psychometrising ability.
Oh. But wait. You think psychometry is crystal-ball gazing. And dowsing.

Are you sure this isnt just a *really* crazy day for you Tom? Its just that
you seem a little more incohenrent than usual.
Post by Tom
Gets you all hot, does it?
If it excites you to think so Crazy Tom, then that is OK.

lol. More craziness from Crazy Tom.

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Tom
2006-03-17 15:40:08 UTC
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Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Really Tom?
Is this news to you, Archie?
Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom,
You are again incorrect. Most people do indeed have imaginary friends.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-12-19-real-play-usat_x.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/98/104678.htm
Hmmm. I see where it says 'many people' Tom. I dont see where it says 'the
majority of people'. Do you understand the difference?
Sure. Most people have imaginary friends. Most people do not regard these
imaginary friends as real, though. Perhaps you don't understand that, given
that you treat what you imagine to be as real as anything else you
experience.

This failure of discrimination between that which is within and that which
is without is one of the deleterious side-effects of an incompetent
exploration of magick.
Archangel
2006-03-18 03:19:51 UTC
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| >>>>>> Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
| >>>>>> universal boundaries.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Really Tom?
| >>>>
| >>>> Is this news to you, Archie?
| >>>
| >>> Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom,
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| >> You are again incorrect. Most people do indeed have imaginary friends.
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| >> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-12-19-real-play-usat_x.htm
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| >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend
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| > Hmmm. I see where it says 'many people' Tom. I dont see where it says
'the
| > majority of people'. Do you understand the difference?
|
| Sure. Most people have imaginary friends. Most people do not regard
these
| imaginary friends as real, though. Perhaps you don't understand that,
given
| that you treat what you imagine to be as real as anything else you
| experience.

LOL. Nice try to recover by turning the craziness around Tom. Futile but a
good try.



| This failure of discrimination between that which is within and that which
| is without is one of the deleterious side-effects of an incompetent
| exploration of magick.


LOL. Nice try at changing the subject Tom. We both know where our relative
positions are in so far as High Magic is concerned, though of course you
dont say so. A loss of face you see...

Mr Reasonable today... good, good

LOL

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whyzard
2006-03-19 10:22:52 UTC
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Post by Tom
Post by Tom
Post by Archangel
Post by Tom
Imaginary friends are pretty common, actually. So are imaginary
universal boundaries.
Most people dont have little imaginary friends Tom,
You are again incorrect. Most people do indeed have imaginary friends.
Sure. Most people have imaginary friends. Most people do not regard these
imaginary friends as real, though. Perhaps you don't understand that, given
that you treat what you imagine to be as real as anything else you
experience.
my mind is so vast that my imaginary friends have enough "novelty" and
concresence to be autonomously sentient. Which is to say that my mind
is so vast that it has branched off into holographic specialization.
Which is also to say that the human psyche has more than enough room
for more than one ego or personality. I do this with my mind, while
others do it with their projectionited unconscious emotive internal
system quanta.
I have seen splinter psyches coming from peoples toes.

imaginary friends are fake on the material plane. Humans are fake on
the subtle planes.
Post by Tom
This failure of discrimination between that which is within and that which
is without is one of the deleterious side-effects of an incompetent
exploration of magick.
LIfe is fake on the spiritual planes. Contemplating anything at all is
fake on the non-dual planes.

Giving up on this mess is fake at all levels----MAYA was moksa and now
its not, not we need some maya in our moksa to get the moksa from the
maya.
Tom
2006-03-19 15:45:05 UTC
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Post by whyzard
my mind is so vast that my imaginary friends have enough "novelty" and
concresence to be autonomously sentient. Which is to say that my mind
is so vast that it has branched off into holographic specialization.
Which is also to say that the human psyche has more than enough room
for more than one ego or personality. I do this with my mind, while
others do it with their projectionited unconscious emotive internal
system quanta.
Onr minds are indeed capable of generating any number of imaginary people in
them and we all do it. However, not many people regard their imaginary
population as equivalent in either nature or importance with people who
exist outside their heads. Those who cannot or choose not to make that
distinction often find themselves in trouble.
Post by whyzard
I have seen splinter psyches coming from peoples toes.
I can't say I've had that experience.
Post by whyzard
imaginary friends are fake on the material plane. Humans are fake on
the subtle planes.
Not fake. Just not equivalent.
Post by whyzard
Post by Tom
This failure of discrimination between that which is within and that which
is without is one of the deleterious side-effects of an incompetent
exploration of magick.
LIfe is fake on the spiritual planes. Contemplating anything at all is
fake on the non-dual planes.
I just don't see "fake" as the best descriptive term. Or "planes", for that
matter.

Amber
2006-03-15 15:33:17 UTC
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Post by Richard Laufenburg
Notes on Astral Traveling
Every person has experienced Astral Traveling countless times; as a
matter of fact we do it while we sleep, although mostly we don't
remember it.
Anyone here ever read the classic, "Journey's Out of the Body" by
Robert A. Monroe?
Post by Richard Laufenburg
In this regard we can achieve a lot with spiritual exercises. The most
basic "loosening up" exercise consists by trying consciously capturing
and remembering the moment of falling asleep. This state oof
transition, so to say the "turning-point between waking and sleeping
consciousness is the safest starting-point to all spiritual exercises.
Back when I was studying & learning Buddhism & Meditation techniques
(the decade before I came to Magick) I experienced amazing results with
lucid dreaming & astral traveling with an even more basic exercise.
Before I would fall asleep each night I simply & sincerely thought of
everyone I know receiving unconditional LOVE from me. I included
people I was angry at or disappointed with (which took a little
discipline on my part). The best results are what happened in me ;)

I definitely like the exercise you describe above too & would similarly
focus on the waking moments as well.

Amber
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